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Chrissy64_uk
19-04-2009, 12:37 PM
Not all women's issues affect all women equally, or even, sometimes, at all. Issues can vary by class, race, sexuality, and so on. But feminism has recognised that just because an issue may only affect a small number of women it nonetheless is a feminist issue because it is a women's issue. Feminism also has recognised that it is important to foreground the women for whom it is an issue and let them lead in dealing with the issue. Feminism has not always succeeded in this. Womanism came directly out of the failure of second-wave feminism to engage with its own racism, in refusing to see issues for women of colour as women's issues. But, things have gotten better now that we're in the third wave, right? Not so much for trans women. Two recent discussions at major feminist blogs demonstrate this.

In the first case, we go to Feministing where Miriam posted a letter from Focus on the Family (FotF) which scaremongers about "men in the women's room" when anti-discrimination laws are passed. Cis women comments there started out the comments already falling for the meme. When allies, other trans women, and myself actually arrived and tried to bring the conversation back to reality, we were effectively ignored. The conversation continued to be about the dangers of having men in the same restroom as (cis) women and girls, how uncomfortable it would be to have men there, and how trans women were OK there as long as they didn't look too much like men.

Next, came Feministe with "By Any Other Name" which Cara wrote in response to an article by a cis man about what he learned from a trans woman student. The comments started out actually engaging the article and what Cara had said about it. However, the discussion then turned into a conversation about birth control methods which was neither in the OP nor a trans women's issue at all seeing as how we can't get pregnant. Voz and Galling Galla complained about it which finally led to Cara stepping in to say she would moderate heavier for derailing. However, prior to Cara's statement, one commenter actually had the gall to say "Not all discussions that crop up will be concerns to all women. It's that bound to happen?". In a thread that specifically addresses an article about a trans woman, we're expected to see the discussion turning to exclusively cis-concerns as something that's bound to happen?

But maybe the Feministe commenter is right. Any discussion that crops up about trans issues is bound to not include the concerns of trans folk. It is always about the cis women. With a few (wonderful) exceptions, it seems as though cis women can't be bothered to consider any experience outside their own. At least not the cis women found at major online feminist sites. Way to include all women.

http://lucypaw.blogspot.com/2009/04/its-always-about-cis-women.html

noeleena
21-04-2009, 11:20 AM
Hi... As a women . most of my friends in n z would not wont to have any thing to do with this movement ... i wonder why .... as you say the first group of feminist women got off there bikes if you like & demanded there rights , yet it got out of hand ..why because men had the upper hand ... i am not saying its all wrong just was the right time then . . is it any better to day i am refering to the last 40 odd years .... well it begs the ??? . what are they trying to do we saw what they did ... my ... natal women friends would walk away . in total disgust . they all so dont speak for us ... nore will they .
like many groups they have their own agender & it does not include those of us who just live in the real world . like having children work. looking after those who are sick & so on .the funny thing that did happen was when they got their way . & so called had what they wonted they were cast out so what did they achieve. nothing as i can see certinly nothing as far as all people are concerned.the . human rights com. would have a better go .. going back many years to the womens suffrage now is that what is being refered to or just over the last 40 odd years .
yes now that did get many things changed the right to vote & so on now then we are going back to the 1870.s . a point here is some of the hard liners lesbian will not accept any trans people now then thats fact . i know from my own experance. i did not think this was so .... hmmm yes well it is , so how do you look at that . from a trans point of view strange ... to my way of thinking . so what.s different to day then ....
intersting .......
...noeleena....